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==Babby's first e-cig==
 
==Babby's first e-cig==
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==Atomizers==
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How it werks: the battery heats up a coil, typically kanthal wire, to vaporize the liquid surrounding it. The liquid is commonly held in a silica, cotton, or steel mesh wick.
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===Cartotanks===
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===Clearomizers===
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What you need: a battery, a charger, an atomizer, and some e-liquid.
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===Rebuildable Atomizers===
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===Recommendations===
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===Rebuildable Dripping Atomizers===
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* <$30
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==Rebuilding==
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** Ego-c twist
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==Mods==
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** Kanger Protank
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===Mechanical===
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** 510 Charger
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===Regulated===
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* <$60
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** Vamo VV Mod
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** Several 18650 or 18350 batteries
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** Kanger Protank
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** Charger
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====Cigalikes====
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* $60
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** eRoll/eMini
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** Requires needle-tippled bottle heads for easiy fills of tank
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==Liquids==
 
==Liquids==
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===DIY===
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E-liquid, or e-juice, is made up of two main ingredients: Propylene Glycol (PG) and Vegetable Glycerin (VG), as well as natural and/or artificial flavorings.
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E-juice or vapor juice is made up of two main ingredients, with other additives for flavors.
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Some specialty liquids may also contain distilled water as a main ingredient.
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Propylene Glycol (PG) and Vegetable Glycerin (VG).
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PG is a low viscosity liquid and has many applications ranging from the suspension agent used in some inhalers, to an ingredient in FDA approved oral and topical medications, as well as a preservative in food  and tobacco products. VG is a high viscosity liquid organic compound with applications ranging from use as a sweetener in foods, medications, soaps, and cosmetics.
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As PG is a humectant it is recommended that you drink plenty of water to stay hydrated, as otherwise it is common to experience drying of the mouth, sore throat and some unproductive coughing (especially if you've recently quit smoking cigarettes.) If similar symptoms persist when hydrated, or become more severe e.g. sore or swollen mouth, face, gums, and/or back of throat, you should consider switching to a 100% VG concentration as you may be allergic or sensitive to PG.
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The percentage of PG/VG is commonly 50/50, but what works best for you depends on your e-cigarette itself, personal preference, and their vaping properties. 100% VG puts out a lot of vapor, produces little to no throat hit, but mutes the flavor while 100% PG is the opposite. VG also has a relatively high resistance to the heat most atomizers put out, while a higher PG concentration might taste burnt at the same wattage.
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===Nicotine===
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====Safety====
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''See: [http://www.gwern.net/Nicotine Gwern on Nicotine]''
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===Recommended e-liquids===
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Flavor is subjective and boils down to personal taste: general e-liquid recommendations are hard and established preferences might not apply to e-liquid flavors e.g. one might prefer menthol cigarettes but dislike menthol e-liquid while preferring "tobacco" or coffee flavors. Your tastes will most likely change after you've quit smoking, or you might grow tired of a certain flavor, so it's recommended that you have several or more different preferred e-liquids. Mixtures and bases also vary among vendors so you may find that you prefer a fruit flavor from a certain vendor over others.
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Only buy US or EU e-liquids, stay clear of Dekang shit. WESTERN WORLD STRONK.
  
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'''PG''' is the non-medical suspension agent used in inhalers, and it’s also used as a sanitizing agent in hospitals.  PG is a very thin liquid with a low viscosity. It’s an organic compound that’s colorless, almost completely tasteless, used as a preservative, and can be found in a lot of FDA approved oral and topical medications. And don’ t worry,  there’s no evidence of  PG  being carcinogenic, so you can feel safe vaping it.
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Israeli and reptilian overlord liquids may also be acceptable.
  
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'''VG''' is a pretty thick liquid with a high viscosity. It’s an organic compound commonly used in foods (as a sweetening agent), medications, soaps, and cosmetic products. If you’ve washed your hands with soap and/or ate any food food containing corn syrup, you’ve already had some interactions with VG.
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'''Recommended brands for newbies in North America'''
  
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Now that I know what PG and VG are, what PG VG ratio should I choose?
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MtBakerVapor
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- very cheap, good taste
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- customizable PG/VG blend
  
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Typically most juices are 50/50, but your choice depends on what you’ll be using to vape your e cig juice with and your personal preferences.  PG and VG have a few different vaping properties that will weigh into your decision. Let’s explore these factors.
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Fuzion Vapor
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- A little pricey, good taste
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- any liquid is available with menthol, which is a plus
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- all liquids are pure VG
  
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'''Different E Cig Setup Requirements'''
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AllAboutVapor
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- more expensive, very good taste
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- most (I think all, actually) liquids are 60PG/40VG
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- 5ml bottles are available at $2.95 a piece, good for trying a bunch of different flavors
  
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Clearomizers, Dripping Atomizers, and RDAs are pretty flexible and will probably work with any PG VG ratio that you choose. There aren’t any limitations, so your choice will boil down to personal preference.
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Alpha & Omega
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- Medium cost
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- 70vg/30pg
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- Lots of fruits
  
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Cartomizers and Carto Tanks are a bit more finicky and typically do better with either 100% PG e juice or a PG VG blend. Cartomizers have a thick poly-fill that surrounds the heating element. The poly-fill needs to absorb the e juice  in order to work properly. If you’re using a tank, the e juice also needs to be able to be absorbed through the holes punched into the cartomizer.
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Suicide Bunny
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- Mothers Milk
  
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With a pre-punched carto, I’ve found from personal experience, that a 100% PG e cig juice to a 50/50 PG VG ratio works best. However, if you’re willing to spend a little extra time priming and/or slotting your cartomizers, you can use up to a 100% VG ratio as well; it just requires a little bit of extra work.
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Once again, taste is completely subjective, and you may not like anything recommended here; however, it's a good place to start, and remember that no two flavors are quite the same. Some flavors even vary from batch to batch.
  
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Personal Preference Factors
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Also check out [[E-Liquid Reviews]]
  
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So now that you know about any e cig device limitations, let’s look into the other factors that will weigh into your decision. Are you more interested in flavor or vapor production? Are you looking for a stronger or smoother throat hit? How hot do you like to vape? Do you have any PG sensitivities?
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===DIY===
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* Propylene Glycol
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* Vegetable Glycerin
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* Distilled H2O
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* Nicotine
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* Nitrile gloves
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* A place to cook, maaaan.
  
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'''Vapor and Flavor'''
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==Atomizers==
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===Cartomizers===
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Good place for new vapers to start. Most convenience store bought non-disposables use pre-filled cartomizers as "refills." Combines atomizer and an absorbent filler material which supplies the heating coil with liquid. Cartomizers themselves are disposable yet can usually be refilled several times before needing replacement. Cartomizers have been known to burn the filler material which freaks some people out.
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====Cartotanks====
  
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100% VG will give you those big sexy fluffy clouds of vapor, but might mute the flavor, making it less intense for your taste-buds. 100%  PG concentration will give you better flavor, but the clouds will be less voluptuous. If you’re looking for a balance between the two, you’ll probably want a mixture of both. Remember, more PG=more flavor, and more VG=bigger clouds.
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===Clearomizers===
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====Bottom coil====
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* Kanger Protank 1/2/3
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*Kanger T3S
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**Some leaking and gurgling issues occur with both the T3S and the Protanks, however, a DIY fix can be followed [http://godofsteam.wordpress.com/2013/07/12/how-to-fix-kanger-evod-leakinggurgling-issues/ here].
  
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'''Throat-Hit'''
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* Evod
  
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Heres what you need to know m8:
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====Top coil====
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PG = flavor and throat hit
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* Mini Vivi Nova
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VG = MAD CLOUDS
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* Kanger T2
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===Dripping Atomizers===
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Dripping atomizers are generally used for sampling flavors but they are preferred by many for their clean vape. Bridged atomizers have an additional piece of wicking material above the coil, while Bridgeless atomizers do not. Dripping is a convenience tradeoff, you will have to drip 3-4 more drops liquid into your atomizer very frequently.
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* Cisco-spec
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====Atomizer Tanks====
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* AMP Tank
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===Rebuildable Atomizers===
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* Drunker Tank
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====Genesis====
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* RSST [Polycarbonate or Pyrex Tank]
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* The Kraken
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* AGA-t2
  
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If you’re missing that punch to the back of your throat that cigarettes used to give you, you might want to get a higher PG concentration since VG tends to vape smooth. PG helps deliver that oh so familiar throat-hit and might help stave off those pesky cigarette cravings. However, if you’re looking for a ride smoother, you’ll probably want a higher ratio of VG. If you’re looking for a balance between the two, choose a mixture of both. Just remember, more PG = more throat hit, and more VG = less throat hit.
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====Bottom Fed Tank RBA====
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* Russian [91%]
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* Fogger [v2, v3, v4]
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* KayFun [lite, lite +, 3.1 ES] [Note: Fasttech now sells glass tank kits for some KayFun models for very cheap (~$3), so if you want a clear section but are worried about cracking this is a good solution.]
  
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'''Turning up the Heat'''
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===Rebuildable Dripping Atomizers===
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* Magma
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* IGO-W
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* IGO-L
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* Nimbus
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* Cyclone
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* The Octopus
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* The Omega
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* The Patriot
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* Trident
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* T.O.B.H
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* Stilaire
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* The Hobo
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* Mutation X
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* The Competition Doge
  
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VG has a higher resistance to heat, so you can really crank it up! PG is a bit more sensitive to heat, so the taste of higher PG based liquids might taste burned if you’re vaping at higher volts/watts.
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==Batteries==
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* Efest IMRs
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* Samsung Hybrids
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* AW IMRs
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* Panasonic Hybrids
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* MNKE IMRs
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* Sony [VTC4, VTC5]
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* LG He2 35 amp limit constant
  
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Allergies and Sensitivities
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===Chargers===
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* NiteCore charges at .5 amp
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* TrustFire TR-001 charges at .5 amp
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* Efest luc 2 bay. Has speed charge at 1amp
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* Efest luc 4 bay. Has speed charge at 2 amp
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---TrustFire chargers do not have overcharge protection. Avoid if you don't know what this means.---
  
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A small segment of the vaping population are allergic and/or have a sensitivity to PG. It’s common to have a bit of a sore throat and cough a little when you first start vaping, but if your symptoms persist and are more severe (sore or swollen mouth, gums, and/or back of throat), you might want to consider moving to a 100% VG e juice. If you need to move to a 100% VG e juice, but your set up requires thinner e juice, you can always ask your favorite e juice vendor to cut the VG with some distilled water (velvet cloud vapors make breddy guud 100% VG juice).
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===Egos===
  
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'''E Juice Longevity'''
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===Box Mods===
  
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100% VG e juices might not last as long as 100% PG e juices, or e juices containing some PG. Remember how we mentioned PG is a sanitizing agent? Since PG is a preservative, it helps to keep contaminants from festering in your e juices. VG, while great for people who want more vapor, like higher vaping temperature, and for people with a PG sensitivity, does not have these same anti bacterial properties. So if possible, even if it’s only 5-10%, use some PG in your liquids to lengthen their shelf-life. If you’re allergic, or flat out refuse, no worries! If you are going to sperg and you NEED 100 VG,keep it in the refrigerator to keep them fresh, and throw them out if they start to taste funky.
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===Mechanical Mods===
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--- WARNING: MECH MODS MAY BE DANGEROUS WITHOUT PROPER SAFETY PRECAUTIONS. MAKE SURE TO VAPE WITHIN YOUR BATTERY'S AMP LIMITS ---
  
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Also, some people like to do what is called "steeping." this is basically letting the juice sit for a while to let the mixture of VG, PG, and ingredients mix fully. Most people recommend a week, but you can speed up this process by placing the juice bottle in hot water. Leaving the cap off the bottle has also been mentioned to help things move sanic fast.
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* Astro (Telescoping)
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* k100 (telescoping
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* Mortar (Telescoping)
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* Bombshell (Telescoping)
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* Gnome (18650 only)
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* Panzer
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* Nemesis
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* Caravella
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* Chi-You
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* The Hammer (Also Hammer clones, 18350 only without extension tube)
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* Tree of life
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* Swan
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* Mutant
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* Signum
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* The copper
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* Penny mod
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* Snow Wolf
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* Vanilla
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* Pegasus
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* XXIX
  
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'''Adding it all Up'''
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===Hybrid Mods===
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* 4nine
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* Richman
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* I-Hybrid
  
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Propylene Glycol and Vegetable Glycerin are both perfectly safe substances that are used everyday! Now that you know the differences between PG and VG, all you have to do is decide what you want out of your vaping experience. Figure out the limitations (if any) of your device. Decide if you want more flavor (more PG) or more vapor (VG). If you want to feel the vapor hit the back of your throat like a ton of bricks, use more PG. If you want a smoother experience, use more VG. If you like to vape at higher volts/watts, use more VG. If you vape at lower temperatures, use more PG. And finally, if your allergic, or sensitive, to PG, do yourself a favor and use either 100% VG, or use VG that’s been cut with some distilled water.
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===Regulated Mods===
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* Vamo
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* Provari
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* Selegei
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* DNA 20/30
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* MVP
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* SVD
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* Rapor 60/120
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* sx350 mods (ipv2)
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* sx330 (ipv3)
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* Hex Ohm (okr-t10)
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==Rebuilding==
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===Wicks===
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* Stainless Steel Mesh
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* Cotton [organic or medical grade is encouraged to avoid possible pesticides, boiling is recommended regardless of source]
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* Amorphous Silica
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* Hemp
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* Ekowool
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* Quartz rods
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===Wires===
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* Kanthal
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* Nichrome
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* Titanium
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===Ohm's Law and Coil Theory===
  
 
==External Links==
 
==External Links==
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[http://www.vapersrising.com/the-map/ The MAP | Vapers Rising] - Community maintained map of brick and mortar shops dedicated to or with a selection of e-cigarettes and accessories
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[[Category:Hardware]]
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[[Category:Recommendations]]

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Babby's first e-cig

How it werks: the battery heats up a coil, typically kanthal wire, to vaporize the liquid surrounding it. The liquid is commonly held in a silica, cotton, or steel mesh wick.

What you need: a battery, a charger, an atomizer, and some e-liquid.

Recommendations

  • <$30
    • Ego-c twist
    • Kanger Protank
    • 510 Charger
  • <$60
    • Vamo VV Mod
    • Several 18650 or 18350 batteries
    • Kanger Protank
    • Charger

Cigalikes

  • $60
    • eRoll/eMini
    • Requires needle-tippled bottle heads for easiy fills of tank

Liquids

E-liquid, or e-juice, is made up of two main ingredients: Propylene Glycol (PG) and Vegetable Glycerin (VG), as well as natural and/or artificial flavorings. Some specialty liquids may also contain distilled water as a main ingredient.

PG is a low viscosity liquid and has many applications ranging from the suspension agent used in some inhalers, to an ingredient in FDA approved oral and topical medications, as well as a preservative in food and tobacco products. VG is a high viscosity liquid organic compound with applications ranging from use as a sweetener in foods, medications, soaps, and cosmetics.

As PG is a humectant it is recommended that you drink plenty of water to stay hydrated, as otherwise it is common to experience drying of the mouth, sore throat and some unproductive coughing (especially if you've recently quit smoking cigarettes.) If similar symptoms persist when hydrated, or become more severe e.g. sore or swollen mouth, face, gums, and/or back of throat, you should consider switching to a 100% VG concentration as you may be allergic or sensitive to PG.

The percentage of PG/VG is commonly 50/50, but what works best for you depends on your e-cigarette itself, personal preference, and their vaping properties. 100% VG puts out a lot of vapor, produces little to no throat hit, but mutes the flavor while 100% PG is the opposite. VG also has a relatively high resistance to the heat most atomizers put out, while a higher PG concentration might taste burnt at the same wattage.

Nicotine

Safety

See: Gwern on Nicotine

Recommended e-liquids

Flavor is subjective and boils down to personal taste: general e-liquid recommendations are hard and established preferences might not apply to e-liquid flavors e.g. one might prefer menthol cigarettes but dislike menthol e-liquid while preferring "tobacco" or coffee flavors. Your tastes will most likely change after you've quit smoking, or you might grow tired of a certain flavor, so it's recommended that you have several or more different preferred e-liquids. Mixtures and bases also vary among vendors so you may find that you prefer a fruit flavor from a certain vendor over others.

Only buy US or EU e-liquids, stay clear of Dekang shit. WESTERN WORLD STRONK.

Israeli and reptilian overlord liquids may also be acceptable.

Recommended brands for newbies in North America

MtBakerVapor - very cheap, good taste - customizable PG/VG blend

Fuzion Vapor - A little pricey, good taste - any liquid is available with menthol, which is a plus - all liquids are pure VG

AllAboutVapor - more expensive, very good taste - most (I think all, actually) liquids are 60PG/40VG - 5ml bottles are available at $2.95 a piece, good for trying a bunch of different flavors

Alpha & Omega - Medium cost - 70vg/30pg - Lots of fruits

Suicide Bunny - Mothers Milk

Once again, taste is completely subjective, and you may not like anything recommended here; however, it's a good place to start, and remember that no two flavors are quite the same. Some flavors even vary from batch to batch.

Also check out E-Liquid Reviews

DIY

  • Propylene Glycol
  • Vegetable Glycerin
  • Distilled H2O
  • Nicotine
  • Nitrile gloves
  • A place to cook, maaaan.

Atomizers

Cartomizers

Good place for new vapers to start. Most convenience store bought non-disposables use pre-filled cartomizers as "refills." Combines atomizer and an absorbent filler material which supplies the heating coil with liquid. Cartomizers themselves are disposable yet can usually be refilled several times before needing replacement. Cartomizers have been known to burn the filler material which freaks some people out.

Cartotanks

Clearomizers

Bottom coil

  • Kanger Protank 1/2/3
  • Kanger T3S
    • Some leaking and gurgling issues occur with both the T3S and the Protanks, however, a DIY fix can be followed here.
  • Evod

Top coil

  • Mini Vivi Nova
  • Kanger T2

Dripping Atomizers

Dripping atomizers are generally used for sampling flavors but they are preferred by many for their clean vape. Bridged atomizers have an additional piece of wicking material above the coil, while Bridgeless atomizers do not. Dripping is a convenience tradeoff, you will have to drip 3-4 more drops liquid into your atomizer very frequently.

  • Cisco-spec

Atomizer Tanks

  • AMP Tank

Rebuildable Atomizers

  • Drunker Tank

Genesis

  • RSST [Polycarbonate or Pyrex Tank]
  • The Kraken
  • AGA-t2

Bottom Fed Tank RBA

  • Russian [91%]
  • Fogger [v2, v3, v4]
  • KayFun [lite, lite +, 3.1 ES] [Note: Fasttech now sells glass tank kits for some KayFun models for very cheap (~$3), so if you want a clear section but are worried about cracking this is a good solution.]

Rebuildable Dripping Atomizers

  • Magma
  • IGO-W
  • IGO-L
  • Nimbus
  • Cyclone
  • The Octopus
  • The Omega
  • The Patriot
  • Trident
  • T.O.B.H
  • Stilaire
  • The Hobo
  • Mutation X
  • The Competition Doge

Batteries

  • Efest IMRs
  • Samsung Hybrids
  • AW IMRs
  • Panasonic Hybrids
  • MNKE IMRs
  • Sony [VTC4, VTC5]
  • LG He2 35 amp limit constant

Chargers

  • NiteCore charges at .5 amp
  • TrustFire TR-001 charges at .5 amp
  • Efest luc 2 bay. Has speed charge at 1amp
  • Efest luc 4 bay. Has speed charge at 2 amp

---TrustFire chargers do not have overcharge protection. Avoid if you don't know what this means.---

Egos

Box Mods

Mechanical Mods

--- WARNING: MECH MODS MAY BE DANGEROUS WITHOUT PROPER SAFETY PRECAUTIONS. MAKE SURE TO VAPE WITHIN YOUR BATTERY'S AMP LIMITS ---

  • Astro (Telescoping)
  • k100 (telescoping
  • Mortar (Telescoping)
  • Bombshell (Telescoping)
  • Gnome (18650 only)
  • Panzer
  • Nemesis
  • Caravella
  • Chi-You
  • The Hammer (Also Hammer clones, 18350 only without extension tube)
  • Tree of life
  • Swan
  • Mutant
  • Signum
  • The copper
  • Penny mod
  • Snow Wolf
  • Vanilla
  • Pegasus
  • XXIX

Hybrid Mods

  • 4nine
  • Richman
  • I-Hybrid

Regulated Mods

  • Vamo
  • Provari
  • Selegei
  • DNA 20/30
  • MVP
  • SVD
  • Rapor 60/120
  • sx350 mods (ipv2)
  • sx330 (ipv3)
  • Hex Ohm (okr-t10)

Rebuilding

Wicks

  • Stainless Steel Mesh
  • Cotton [organic or medical grade is encouraged to avoid possible pesticides, boiling is recommended regardless of source]
  • Amorphous Silica
  • Hemp
  • Ekowool
  • Quartz rods

Wires

  • Kanthal
  • Nichrome
  • Titanium

Ohm's Law and Coil Theory

External Links

The MAP | Vapers Rising - Community maintained map of brick and mortar shops dedicated to or with a selection of e-cigarettes and accessories

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