Talk:Main Page

The Spam Problem

Jesus christ, why do we need Google Captcha. Besides training evil AIs, it is a nuisance of a service that doesn't work right. --Se7en(1) (talk) 23:50, 30 December 2018 (EST)

I absolutely agree, but look at Recent Changes, we still have some spam getting through... without it, the wiki (and db) would be inundated with spam. If you have a better option/idea to fight spam on MediaWiki please I am open to suggestions...--Bananafish (talk) 12:54, 31 December 2018 (EST)

Here's another issue. I, a logged in user, have to perform a captcha to submit an external link. Wikipedia doesn't even do that. There are other captcha services, btw. --Se7en(1) (talk) 21:00, 19 March 2019 (EDT)

Another issue with your spam-trackers, bannanafish. It filters the word V-A-C-C-U-M-E problem image link --Se7en(1) (talk) 22:18, 19 March 2019 (EDT)

The bots seem to only make accounts and edit user pages. A primitive approach would be to autoban users that try to edit/create userpages before contributing something else to the wiki. As in, new (real human) users need to contribute to some page on the wiki before they are allowed to make their own page. If I'm being retarded let me know. --Owsum (talk) 09:37, 5 May 2019 (EDT)

That was true, but it is no longer. The bots are now making pages containing Dental Advice. It seems that changing your userpage is a sign of a bot, but the deletion process is not automatic. It seems manual. --Se7en(1) (talk) 21:31, 13 September 2019 (CEST)

I just ended sooooo many shitposting careers. If you got deleted, congratulations! You failed the Turing Test. We should either do *something* about this here or move somewhere else that doesn't have a spam problem. Maybe hosting the wiki on Github is more appropriate. --Yuki (talk) 22:27, 9 May 2019 (EDT)

An issue has become with the newest Spam Measure. You said that if you edit your user page, you fail the localized Turing Test. It isn't working. These spam accounts are editing their user pages over 20 times and are not banned. --Se7en(1) (talk) 23:51, 31 May 2019 (EDT)

The latest captcha is too easy. The majority of answers are simply "Yes" with only one or two being something that actually differs. What makes you think bots simply wont keep trying "yes" as an answer over and over again? They obviously already are as we have thousands of misinformation articles on dentistry all of a sudden.--Se7en(1) (talk) 22:21, 30 September 2019 (CEST)

I deleted what spam had collected. I'm not sure if they were doing it manually or if they were using the API, which I confirmed was still exposed up until a few hours ago. This also broke the WYSIWYG editor. By the proximity of the timestamps it looked like the page creations were rather coordinated/automated, however there were not many user accounts compared to the number of spam pages this time. It's possible the accounts were created manually and then updated using a bot. We'll soon know for sure exactly how much of the process was automated. --Yuki (talk) 06:06, 19 October 2019 (CEST)

I suggest you try out Extension:AbuseFilter. You can set up rules like "No new users can add links in their first three edits" or just another mechanism for blacklisting certain words, but the real power of it is that your admins can tweak the rules, so if you have a team of people actively battling spam, they can decide when and how to raise the shields. -- Harry Wood (talk) 15:50, 24 September 2021 (CEST)

Running list of ideas:

• $wgSpamRegex - doing this already
• StopFormSpam - worth looking into, will likely have to disable cloudflare
• ConfirmEdit - doing this already with Captcha NoRecaptcha, may be worth going back to questy captcha with a lot more questions...
• Clean Talk - looks similar to StopForumSpam but possibly not updated for 1.3.1
• Follow these instructions to import Wikipedia templates here and here

Radio

We have a page for multiple forms of media, including TV Series, Movies, and Music. Should we add a page for Radio? Science-Fiction radio had existed for decades before television classics such as The Twilight Zone, and often the Sci-Fi shows of the early tv audience were actually rewritten radio scripts (Such as The Twilight Zone episode The Hitch-Hiker was first aired on the radio program The Orson-Welles' Show, and later-on the radio show Dimension X. Other notable programs include The Shadow, the aformentioned Dimension X, The New Adventures of Sherlock Holmes, The Adventures of Superman, and many, many others. --Se7en(1) (talk) 01:49, 30 March 2019 (EDT)

I'd say go for it. Maybe if there isn't enough content for a single page you could put it in under Music (maybe change title to Audio), or maybe a new page called "Other Media". --Owsum (talk) 14:24, 13 February 2020 (CET)

Now in my To-Do --Se7en(1) (talk) 00:38, 23 February 2020 (CET)

Recommended Software

"Recommended software" line is currently under the software tab. However this link is to category of recommendations that are mostly hardware.

It appears that the main purpose was to link to the 4 pages that are the lists for recommended software for android / GNU+Linux / OSX / Windows.

I propose that, like the "GNU/Linux, Windows and Android ricing" line, the "Recommended software" line should be changed to something similar to:

"Recomended Software for GNU/Linux, Windows, Android and OS X"

--Owsum (talk) 02:36, 16 April 2019 (EDT)

/drug/

Would it be ok to begin a drug page?--Se7en(1) (talk) 07:07, 5 July 2019 (CEST)

How would that relate to technology or /g/? --Owsum (talk) 13:18, 13 February 2020 (CET)

Many imageboards have a /drug/ board, and I think that /drug/ is nessesary for Cyberpunk. --Se7en(1) (talk) 18:39, 13 February 2020 (CET)

It sounds like a good idea to me. ~OkabeR (talk) 09:48, 13 February 2020 (PST)

I'd gladly make a /drug/ but I don't know how to start it off. I'll write some drafts --Se7en(1) (talk) 00:38, 23 February 2020 (CET)

8chan

Now that 8chan is kerput, and 8kun has no userbase (and is likely a DoD Honeypot) what do we do with all the old 8chan references? Side note: 2020 the decade of P2P Imageboards? --Se7en(1) (talk) 04:34, 11 January 2020 (CET)

Are we really going full destroy everything in the name of non-offending

Esio has been replacing words he personally doesn't like with nicer ones. That's nice and all apart from a few things:

1. Its been destroying pages like Chinese_stuff_general, Talk:Chinese stuff general/Electronic and computer goods, Talk:Chinese_shit_general/Electronic_and_computer_goods, Talk:Chink shit general/Electronic and computer goods and a couple of others where it either is now a blank page, or a redirect into a redirect into a redirect etc.

2. I can understand removing some words here and there, but renaming the entirety of Chink Shit General to Chinese Stuff General I don't think is fine. It is literally "chink shit general" whether you like it or not. Its the name of a general thread, not some arbitrary description. On 4chan it is still "Chink Shit General", and I think that referencing the general by its ACTUAL name is important. Until it becomes standard on 4chan for it to be called the "Chinese stuff general" (and I don't mean an exception here or there, I mean majority of the threads are called that as well as the supporting resources) I think we should still call it by the name "Chink Shit General"

I would really prefer it if Esio instead made/added to the talk pages something like I don't know "Hey can we rename every single occurrence of chink to chinese, shit to stuff and also move the pages around", instead of deciding by himself to make all these changes within 30 minutes and fucking up a few pages in the process. I can understand wanting to make the tone more neutral but I think the changes Esio has made have done more bad than good

Owsum (talk) 11:51, 5 February 2020 (CET)

QuartzQuadrant2 Undid the changes done by Esio. I did a strawpoll on /csg/ and the results I think are quite clear. 90% of 61 votes saying it is "chink shit general" --Owsum (talk) 03:09, 11 February 2020 (CET)

Eiso is a spam bot and all edits should be considered malicious. See User talk:Esio‎‎ for my note --Se7en(1) (talk) 23:10, 21 February 2020 (CET)

Seems like a real "human" to me, especially with the new messages, the visual edits and the errors they make. Hope something gets done about them. I've asked on the irc for some help. I just hope that account creation doesn't get disabled. We mostly solved the spam problem and it would be a shame to have to go back to no registering. Maybe just lock/protect every page containing "chink" and hope he gives up after a while. Eiso, if you are reading this, please comment here and we can discuss matters instead of trying to out-edit Se7en. --Owsum (talk) 12:45, 22 February 2020 (CET)

I don't know. Seems to only talk to himself, and his post onto my talk page (Which I deleted) was poor grammar nonsense telling me to "Get a life, racist". He also posted to his own talk page a response to me telling him to knock it off, and his reply to this was as if he was sending a letter to administration. Either he is a bot or a very dumb person. I have requested help from bannanafish yet again, but since he is MIA I doubt anything will happen and this wiki will continue to be abandoned despite my attempts to revive it. I have no power of administrative access right now until bannanafish makes me an administrator, which he said he'd do in 2017, after asking him in 2016. Ha! --Se7en(1) (talk) 00:36, 23 February 2020 (CET)

Unfortunate situation to not have any admin presence. I think our only option is to make a deal with him, so that at least the wiki is usable and not broken. Its either that or fight fire with fire and spam changes against each other until one party gives up, but then it just becomes a battle of who is the bigger autist. --Owsum (talk) 17:03, 23 February 2020 (CET)

Well I gave him a week to respond and he hasn't, and I think this was fair as he seems to be monitoring the wiki very closely. If he comes back ill probably see If I can get some help from yuki --Owsum (talk) 09:21, 1 March 2020 (CET)

Ok I was going to try and undo all his changes but there are so many and so many of the pages have been fucked up in the process. I've undone all of 22nd feb onwards, if anyone can undo the changes prior to that I would really appreciate it. --Owsum (talk) 09:32, 1 March 2020 (CET)

"What does /g/ use?"

The What does /g/ use section on the gnu/linux ricing page and also on the Software Minimalism page I think are very useful. I find it more useful than the actual recommended software pages. I originally wanted to add a "what does /g/ use" section to all the other pages that offer recommendations, however I ran into a bit of a problem. Firstly, there is quite a lot of overlap. Even with just the ricing and software minimalism there is a fair bit of overlap. If I were to add these "what does /g/ use" sections to the recommended software pages, it would introduce more overlap and further fragment the information. But at the same time, if the "/g/ uses" was all on one page, it wouldn't capture unique differences between the subgroups of /g/ users (while there is overlap, there is also quite a difference). Here are some potential solutions I came up with, however none of them seem that appealing:

1. Add "What does /g/ use" to all recommendation pages. Results in a ton of wasted effort and space as there is usually quite a significant overlap between subgroups of /g/.
2. Move the "What does /g/ use" to a single page, that contains all the different subgroups of /g/. This could be implemented in a few different ways, none of them I think are ideal.
3. Make major changes to recomended software pages to only go over software that /g/ would use. This has a problem for more niche software however, such as audio workstations (as far as I'm aware, /g/ doesn't have a must use audio workstation).

My current thoughts are to go with solution 2. Get all the different subgroups on a single page for what software /g/ uses. If I don't hear anything I'll probably just make the page and run it in parallel with what we currently have until I see if it works or fails.

Even if you don't have an idea for a solution, tell me if this is readable or even understandable. I feel like a skitzo whos just spewing shit out and not producing anything that anyone can actually understand.

--Owsum (talk) 14:16, 13 February 2020 (CET)

I think overlap is about use case, which is how these separate lists got created in th efirst place. The general reccomendations pages are for newfags the ricing and minimalism pages are both more specialized. I'd like to see what you have in mind but I think a solution could be as simple as updating the reccomendation pages and learning to love the overlap. ~OkabeR (talk) 09:55, 13 February 2020 (PST)

Just in case

I am posting this just in case. It is my hope that this actually works and isn't just some long-running joke.

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--Se7en(1) (talk) 07:32, 26 March 2020 (CET)

Someone already the bugspray on Esio, it didn't stop anything. --Owsum (talk) 14:56, 26 March 2020 (CET)

Maybe we could make an ED styled "offended?" page? --OkabeR 10:14, 26 March 2020 (PST)

Yuki could make the site-wide notice an auto-playing of this --Se7en(1) (talk) 04:44, 30 March 2020 (CEST)

America lost

Recommendations

Part of the reason I've been so desperately wanting to be an admin is so I can mass-import Wikipedia templates. This is an easy process. All one has to do is download all the Wikipedia templates via Special:Export then import them here via Special:Import but this requires administration privileges. I suggest that someone who has administration privileges do this to beautify the wiki and better-allow cross-copying from Wikipedia without having to worry about nonsense tags. --Se7en(1) (talk) 04:12, 22 April 2020 (CEST)

License particularities: The public domain mark as opposed to CC0

I'm not legal expert, but I just wanted to point out, that the public domain mark, which this Wiki uses, does not make the Wiki in itself dedicated to the public domain. To properly give up copyrights and be public domain, or it's equivalent in most jurisdictions, it would have to be waived with a PD waiver like the CC0. The public domain mark merely says something is already public domain, but does not effectively make something public domain.

I'm aware this is just a small particularity, but I nonetheless I wanted to point it out.

https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ https://creativecommons.org/public-domain/pdm/