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/CSG/ - Chinese Shit General Guide v1.0.2 beta
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[[File:Chink Shit General Banner.png|thumb|The /csg/ banner, featuring its mascot, a modified [[Wikipedia:Xiaomi|Xiaomi]] Mitu bunny]]
Websites to buy cheap shit (will add more websites over time to the list, if they are confirmed to be reputable):
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[[File:Jack ma meme.jpg|thumb|Jack Ma, founder of the Alibaba Group, the world's most sucessful ecommerce overlord.]]
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The '''Chink shit general''' ('''/csg/''') is a general thread of [[/g/]], in which people discuss the no-name or obscurely branded cheap shit you see on Gearbest, AliExpress, eBay and similar sites.
  
- aliexpress.com (marketplace) - This is the main website /g/ uses. It has the largest selection out of any other site. Customer Support is pretty good, they will side with you if the seller made a mistake, just like Ebay. Uses Alipay for payment, meaning your CC details will not be given to the seller, just like Paypal. The main disadvantage for Americans is that unlike Paypal, it does not accept Discover cards.
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For purchase recommendations, see [[Chink shit general/Everyday carry|everyday carry items]], [[Chink shit general/Phones|phones]], and [[Chink shit general/Electronic and computer goods|other electronic and computer goods]].
- banggood.com -accepts Paypal and you can checkout without making an account. Warehouses in many countries. This site is especially cool for European /g/entooman, because of their "Netherlands direct shipping" option. It's usually much faster than China Post Air Mail, and should mean getting your goods from China to Europe in a week. The cost is barely any higher than the free shipping option.
 
- dinodirect.com -accepts Paypal, Sofort (German payment method). Good customer support and personally one of my favorites.
 
- fasttech.com -accepts Bitcoin and Paypal. This is possibly the only site where the customer reviews are trustworthy. Lots of reviews in English. Website is known for a wide selection of e-cig/vape products, but they also sell many other products.
 
- en.jd.com - They often have good limited time prices on cellphones. Haven't heard of them much apart from them.
 
- dx.com - Free shipment tracking if order value above $15. I haven't personally used it so I can't comment much.
 
- ebay.com (marketplace) - Oftentimes the same sellers as Aliexpress selling the items for a higher price because of Ebay's popularity and the higher Ebay seller fees. But sometimes it can surprise you and have items at a lower price than Aliexpress or any of the other sites. It is worth comparing the prices between Aliexpress and Ebay just in case if you are a scrooge.
 
- gearbest.com - Oftentimes has some of the lowest prices for the more expensive products (things like phones, tablets, action cameras etc..), but are known to often take their merry time before sending a package. The free shipping option does not come with tracking, you have to pay extra. Known to pay users for positive reviews.
 
- geekbuying.com - accepts Paypal. Dropshipping option on all goods.
 
- pandawill.com - accepts Paypal, Skrill. Offers import tax & VAT insurance. For 5% more (10% if in the EU), they will give you a refund on the import tax & VAT cost if you show them the customs slip. This could perhaps be worth it for some expensive products like cell phones, although I haven't tried it myself.  
 
  
Each website has their advantages and drawbacks, if there are any notable ones you want to add, please let me know. There is no one-stop shop for everything.
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== Websites to buy cheap shit ==
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{{Warning|Beware of customs and duty fees. Even though you won't run into them ~90% of the time, read up on your country's import fees and legislation. Most of the time, however, the stuff you're buying from China is so cheap, it simply won't reach the threshold for taxation, and the more expensive stuff may slip through anyway. Sellers will often also help you avoid fees without asking.}}
  
A word on Price comparison tools:
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{{Warning|Recently there have been users adding referral links to products listed on the wiki. Make certain that you are not clicking on these links (click.aliexpress.com and more) or alternatively, find the products on Ali, Gear, &c on your own. If you spot any, please feel free to remove them.}}
  
There are two main direct from China price comparison websites. Pandacheck and Chinaprices.  
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*[[File:aliexpress.jpg|100px]] [//aliexpress.com aliexpress.com] - This is the main website /g/ uses. It has the largest selection out of any other site. Customer Support is pretty good, they will side with the buyer if the seller made a mistake, just like Ebay. Uses Alipay for payment, meaning your CC details will not be given to the seller, just like Paypal. The main disadvantage for Americans is that unlike Paypal, it does not accept Discover cards. Or Paypal for that matter too.
I highly recommend you to NOT use Chinaprices. About half of the stores they list are known to be outright s̲c̲a̲m̲s̲ or to take part in many unethical practices (refusing to repair DOA products etc...). So if you must, use https://en.pandacheck.com/  
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*[[File:banggood.jpg|100px]] [//www.banggood.com banggood.com] - Accepts Paypal and you can checkout without making an account. Warehouses in many countries. This site is especially cool for European /g/entooman, because of their "Netherlands direct shipping" option. It's usually much faster than China Post Air Mail, and should mean getting your goods from China to Europe in a week. The cost is barely any higher than the free shipping option.
However; in general I would recommend you to manually price compare or ask the thread. These comparison tools rarely find the correct lowest prices from all the different Chinese stores. It can perhaps be used to give you a rough idea of the websites who charge the most to weed them out, and then you can manually price compare to find the best prices.
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*[[File:Dinodirect.jpg|100px]] [//dinodirect.com dinodirect.com] - Accepts Paypal, Sofort (German payment method). Good customer support. Are apparently scammers, buy with caution.
Be aware that all links on price comparison websites are affiliate links.  
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* [[File:Fasttech.jpg|100px]] [//fasttech.com fasttech.com] - Accepts Bitcoin and Paypal. This is possibly the only site where the customer reviews are trustworthy. Lots of reviews in English. Website is known for a wide selection of e-cig/vape products, but they also sell many other products.  
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* [[File:JD.png|100px]] [//en.jd.com en.jd.com] - They often have good limited time prices on cellphones.
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* [[File:Kaidomain.jpg|100px]] [//kaidomain.com kaidomain.com] - Accepts Paypal, good for bicycle lights and 18650 batteries. (if you're in Europe or even better The Netherlands, I'd rather use nkon.nl, they have VERY cheap Panasonic 18650 cells and they ship all around the world)
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* [[File:Dealsextreme.jpg|100px]] [//dx.com dx.com] - Free shipment tracking if order value above $15.
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*[[File:Ebay.jpg|100px]] [//ebay.com ebay.com] (marketplace) - Oftentimes the same sellers as Aliexpress selling the items for a higher price because of Ebay's popularity and the higher Ebay seller fees. But sometimes it can surprise you and have items at a lower price than Aliexpress or any of the other sites. It is worth comparing the prices between Aliexpress and Ebay just in case if you are a scrooge.
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* [[File:Gearbest.jpg|100px]] [//gearbest.com gearbest.com] - Oftentimes has some of the lowest prices for more expensive products like phones, tablets, and action cameras but are known to often take their merry time before sending a package. The free shipping option does not come with tracking, you have to pay extra. Known to pay users for positive reviews, ergo shop with caution. One anon posted an email from GearBest's customer service, detailing how to shill the website on places like [http://www.productreview.com.au/ productreview], [http://www.scamadviser.com/ scamadviser], and [https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/g/thread/S57577807#p57578518 even the /csg/ thread on 4chan]. Godawful customer service too: https://www.reddit.com/r/gpdwin/comments/8e9zfi/never_buy_from_gearbest_ever/
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*[[File:Geekbuying.jpg|100px]] [//geekbuying.com geekbuying.com] - Accepts Paypal. Dropshipping option on all goods. Be warned that they may not have items in stock even if the product page says otherwise. Buy with caution.
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* [[File:Pandawill.jpg|100px]] [//pandawill.com pandawill.com] - Accepts Paypal, Skrill. Offers import tax & VAT insurance. For 5% more (10% if in the EU), they will give you a refund on the import tax & VAT cost if you show them the customs slip. This could perhaps be worth it for some expensive products like cell phones.
  
I recommend you try out several websites, and stick with them if you've had good experiences.
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Each website has their advantages and drawbacks, if there are any notable ones you want to add, please let me know. There is no one-stop shop for everything.
  
Bulk orders/Wholesale: Not recommended for getting individual items. You will need to manually contact sellers and chat with them each time and possibly use wire transfers instead of CCs.
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=== A word on price comparison tools ===
- alibaba.com
 
- dhgate.com (lots more counterfeit products compared to Alibaba)
 
  
*It can seem ridiculous, but in the very competitive Chinese online shopping market, many sellers will have items on non-wholesale prices AT or very close to wholesale prices. This means that the prices on Alibaba and Dhgate are not necessarily advantageous. Wholesale websites rarely have free shipping, they usually ship with DHL.  
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There are three main direct from China price comparison websites. [https://en.pandacheck.com/ Pandacheck], [http://www.chinaprices.net/ Chinaprices], and [http://www.china-prices.com/ Chinaprice]. It is highly recommend NOT to use Chinaprices. About half of the stores they list are known to be outright scams or to take part in many unethical practices such as refusing to repair DOA products. So if you must, use https://en.pandacheck.com/
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However; in general it is recommended to manually price compare or ask the thread. These comparison tools rarely find the correct lowest prices from all the different Chinese stores and use affiliate links. It can perhaps be used to give you a rough idea of the websites who charge the most to weed them out, and then you can manually price compare to find the best prices.
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Be aware that all links on price comparison websites are affiliate links.  
  
Chinese national websites: You will probably need an agent to buy anything on there (unless you contact the seller in Chinese and negotiate international shipping with him.) The commissions for agents are generally less than 8%. It might be worth it for some more expensive products. Use a translator to read product information or to enter search terms in Chinese.
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It is recommended to try out several websites, and stick with them if you've had good experiences.
  
- taobao.com - The largest Chinese online marketplace. Owned by the Alibaba group (Aliexpress). Tons of sellers and a gigantic selection.
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=== Bulk orders/Wholesale ===
- tmall.com - Also owned by the Alibaba Group. The difference with Taobao is that T-mall does not allow small individual sellers. The only sellers on tmall are the manufacturers themselves, large online retailers etc.. Tmall is used for buying brand name goods because they have the official company's store on there and only sell genuine products (Chinese brands such as Xiaomi, as well as foreign brands such as Nike among others.)
 
  
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{{note|It can seem ridiculous, but in the very competitive Chinese online shopping market, many sellers will have items on non-wholesale prices AT or very close to wholesale prices. This means that the prices on Alibaba and Dhgate are not necessarily advantageous. Wholesale websites rarely have free shipping, they usually ship with DHL.}}
Shipping methods:
 
-Seller's shipping method - Slowest option on Aliexpress. Up to two months shipping time. If you don't receive your goods after that time period you can get a refund. oftentimes untracked. Sometimes you can be pleasantly surprised and get your product in a week or two. But since the seller doesn't list the method, you'll never know.
 
-Sweden Post, Wishpost, Swisspost, Singapore post - Generally piss slow and untracked. These are often the default free shipping methods on many websites.
 
-China Post Registered air mail = generally 1-2 weeks. tracked.
 
-China post ground = the method usually used when the seller lists "seller's shipping method". Can take over a month.
 
-EMS (express mail service) = expensive but should get there within a week.
 
-SAL (surface air lifted) = week and a half to two weeks. Generally a bit cheaper than EMS.
 
-DHL and Fedex = very quick, very expensive.
 
-ePacket = only available to people in America. Generally much faster than China Post, and oftentimes free.  
 
  
Use info about these shipping methods to help you decide which seller you want to purchase from. For example if a seller sells a product for 20 cents more and offers China Post Registered Air Mail instead of the unknown "seller's shipping method", I usually pick the former.  
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Not recommended for getting individual items. You will need to manually contact sellers and chat with them each time and possibly use wire transfers instead of CCs.
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*[[File:Alibaba.jpg|100px]] [//alibaba.com alibaba.com]
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* [[File:Directgate.jpg|100px]] [//dhgate.com dhgate.com] - Significantly more counterfeit products compared to Alibaba, with the latter actively monitoring for and taking down counterfeit product listings. You may need to disable certain browser addons like HTTPS Everywhere for it to work, or it will just show a blank page.
  
Recommended tracking site:
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=== Chinese national websites ===
17track.net
 
Sometimes it will fuck up, but generally it should automatically find the shipping method so you don't have to manually input it.
 
  
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You will probably need an agent to buy anything on there (unless you contact the seller in Chinese and negotiate international shipping with him or Taobao Cargo). The commissions for agents are generally less than 8%. It might be worth it for some more expensive products. Use a translator to read product information or to enter search terms in Chinese.
Things that we recommend you DO NOT buy:
 
  
-S̶u̶n̶g̶l̶a̶s̶s̶e̶s̶ ̶t̶h̶o̶u̶g̶h̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶r̶e̶ ̶a̶r̶e̶ ̶m̶a̶n̶y̶ ̶g̶o̶o̶d̶ ̶f̶a̶k̶e̶s̶,̶ ̶m̶a̶n̶y̶ ̶d̶o̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶ ̶h̶a̶v̶e̶ ̶U̶V̶ ̶c̶o̶a̶t̶i̶n̶g̶s̶.̶  This is wrong, most Chinese sunglasses and prescription glasses are perfectly fine. It doesn't cost $100 to make proper sunglasses, it's just that in the US we are used to the horrible monopoly from Luxottica, a company making a majority of world's famous sunglasses brands. They have an insane markup. Even the cheapest of Chinese glasses have UV coatings, and even if they didn't glass inherently blocks out most UV rays anyway:
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* [[File:Taobao.jpg|100px]] [//taobao.com taobao.com] - The largest Chinese online marketplace. Owned by the Alibaba group (AliExpress). Tons of sellers and a gigantic selection. [//i.imgur.com/bRifHJY.jpg Anon's Guide to Taobao]
http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae603.cfm
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{{note|When buying multiple items, assuming you selected cargo shipping, each item you bought will be transported to the respective shipment company's warehouse where it will be consolidated and shipped to you in one package.}}
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{{note|[//howtotao.com HowtoTao] is quite helpful, especially if you run into any trouble when ordering. There are many articles about how to purchase, return, query the sellers etc on it}}
  
Either way it can't be worse than NOT wearing sunglasses, so go for it. Stop paying the ridiculous markups for glasses.
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* [[File:Tmall.jpg|100px]] [//tmall.com tmall.com] - Also owned by the Alibaba Group. The difference with Taobao is that T-mall does not allow small individual sellers. The only sellers on Tmall are the manufacturers themselves, large online retailers etc.. Tmall is used for buying brand name goods because they have the official company's store on there and only sell genuine products (Chinese brands such as Xiaomi, as well as foreign brands such as Nike among others.)
 
Here's a video if you want to learn more about Luxottica: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDdq2rIqAlM
 
  
- US/German/etc - branded headphones. They will be fake.
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====Taobao Agents====
- Memory cards and USB sticks can be bought with caution, but many don't have their advertised capacity. Run h2testw or a similar program to make sure you get what you're paying for. Speed ratings may be inflated, try to buy from reputable Chinese brands (ask around on the threads for more info)
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You can sometimes get away with ordering from Taobao directly, especially if you can speak basic Chinese, but that option may not be for everyone. Thankfully, there are many agents out there to choose from and some will go out of their way to make the process as convenient for you as possible. You can have the agent ask the sellers questions for you, if required. Usually, the agents will take a picture of your goods and show them to you before you either choose to go ahead with shipping it out of China or returning it from the agent's warehouse. To save shipping costs, you can also ask the agent to strip the boxes and packaging material to reduce weight.
- Anything that goes in your ass.
 
- Anything that goes on your dick or vagina.
 
(Anon's remark: Actually, properly shaped silicone / pyrex / steel is safe enough, but /g/ doesn't really need to know about yours.)
 
- "Cool" and "Trendy" asian fashion clothes. EG. Yesstyle clothes. You'll look like a faggot. Things like socks, ties, tshirts and panties are generally fine. Some /csg/ posters like to buy replica clothing (aka fakes), I don't know much about rep clothing, so ask around.
 
-Plant seeds. Not only will customs seize the shipment, but most seeds you see on Aliexpress etc.. are not what they claim to be. unless it's a plant with very obvious shaped seeds, don't bother. You'll end up with seeds for a random weed.
 
-Food. Sellers will markup Chinese food 10 fold and sell it to dumb Laowais. Also, mouth cancer.
 
-Batteries that claim ridiculous Ah ratings. Enjoy your Ultra(house)Fire™ and sand filled batteries!
 
-Mini cooper condoms: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Brand-Mini-Small-Condoms-For-Men-10pcs-Lot-Ultra-Thin-Width-46mm-Sex-Products-Condones-Sex/32319802551.html? or you know... any condoms in general. $1 saved for $1 million in raising a child.
 
  
General Buying Tips:
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* [https://www.taobaoring.com/ Taobaoring] (6% commision fee, usually less during holidays) - top customer service and will answer your questions pretty quickly. Bare in mind they will ship your order with EMS by default, which is pretty pricey, but you can ask them to change it to a service of your choice. Singapore Airmail is the cheapest they do, but it's also much slower.
IF IT SOUNDS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE, then it very well could be. Ask in the thread for feedback.
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* [http://basetao.com Basetao] (5% commision fee) - people into fashion reps seem to vouch for this one too
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- Payment: Use Paypal or Alipay if it's an option, or purchase with a prepaid Visa. Find out when your money back deadline is so you can always request a refund if things go bad. The advantage of Paypal or Alipay is that you won't be sharing your CC details with random Chinese sellers, and it provides you with an added layer of protection in the form of disputes in case a seller fucks you over.  
 
            Alipay on Aliexpress should be safe enough, too. Preferable for sellers (and in turn, buyers) due to lower / no fees.
 
- Buying clothes: Chinese clothes sizes are different to US sizes, and are usually smaller. Be cautions if there are no measurements on clothing to judge its true size. Read feedback to try to get an idea on sizing. Compare the measurements on the listing to those of current clothes you own.
 
  
Notable brands that are known to be reliable:
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{| class="wikitable"
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! style="font-weight: bold;" | Shipping Method
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! style="font-weight: bold;" | Typical Time to Arrival (days)
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! style="font-weight: bold;" | Description
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|Seller's shipping method
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|Varies
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|Slowest option on Aliexpress. Up to two months shipping time. If you don't receive your goods after that time period you can get a refund. oftentimes untracked. Sometimes you can be pleasantly surprised and get your product in a week or two. But since the seller doesn't list the method, you'll never know.
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|AliExpress Standard Shipping
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|Varies
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|Could be handled by any of the logstics providers that AliExpress uses (http://activities.aliexpress.com/aliexpress_shipping.php) so your mileage may vary with this one.
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|Sinotrans
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|7-14 days
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|If you're lucky, this is one of the providers that will be handling your AliExpress Standard Shipping. Generally quite fast, arriving in a week or two, with full China based and domestic tracking. Should arrive around the 9-10 day mark, with some luck.
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|Belgium Post
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|7-14 days
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|GearBest likes to use this one if you're Europe based. Presumably, they ship it off to Belgium using another shipping service before reshipping it to your destination country. Takes around 1-2 weeks, but usually closer to one week.
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|Sweden Post, Wishpost, Swisspost, Singapore Post
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|14-30 days
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|Generally piss slow and untracked. These are often the default free shipping methods on many websites.
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|China Post Registered Air Mail
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|7-14 days
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|Generally 1-2 weeks. Tracking may freeze after the package has left China.
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|China Post Ground
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|30 days
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|The method usually used when the seller lists "seller's shipping method". Can take over a month.
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|China Post Ordinary Small Packet Plus
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|7-30 days
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|Anywhere from a week to a month. Your mileage may vary greatly with this one. Most should arrive within two weeks, however.
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|EMS (Express Mail Service)
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|7 days
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|Expensive but should get there within a week.
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|SAL (Surface Air Lifted)
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|10-14 days
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|Week and a half to two weeks. Generally a bit cheaper than EMS.
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|DHL and Fedex
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|2-5 days
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|Very quick, very expensive. Most likely to sting you for customs charges.
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|ePacket
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|7-14 days
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|Started off as US only but has now expanded to Australia, Canada , France, Israel, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Ukraine, and the UK. Generally much faster than China Post, and oftentimes free.
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|SunYou Economic Air Mail
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|30 days
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|One of the much slower shipping options, which you'll want to avoid unless you're okay with waiting even longer. It's not unsual for items to take a month or more with this.  Some anons report their items taking up to three months to arrive or never turning up at all. It may be worth the extra dollar for China Post or Yanwen.
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|Yanwen Economic Air Mail
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|7-30 days
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|Reasonably fast in ''most'' cases. About the same as China Post Ordinary Small Packet Plus.
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|Yanwen Express
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|7-14 days
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|One of the faster shipping methods. Items should arrive in 1-2 weeks, but generally about the 9-10 day mark. Can be tracked at track.yw56.com.cn.
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Use info about these shipping methods to help you decide which seller you want to purchase from. For example if a seller sells a product for 20 cents more and offers China Post Registered Air Mail instead of the unknown "seller's shipping method".
  
Portable Items / Every Day Carry:
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* [//17track.net 17track.net] - Sometimes it will fuck up, but generally it should automatically find the shipping method so you don't have to manually input it.
Battery Banks:
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* Cainiao - Alibaba Group owned. AliExpress uses this for logistics info but sometimes, you can get more detailed tracking by going to the site directly,
Buying too cheap might result in very hot lithium housefires & most don't have anywhere near their advertised capacity. Stick to the one brand that is known to use great batteries and electronics:
 
- Xiaomi
 
 
 
Tons of Xiaomi fakes are floating around. Either buy from the official mi store, ibuygou, banggood, dinodirect, fasttech, gearbest, dx etc... Aliexpress and Ebay are both marketplaces so your risk of getting fakes is much higher. Even though you will probably get a refund, it's still a PITA to deal with.
 
 
 
Sellers will often trick you by writing something like "Powerbank for Xiaomi" so it shows up in the search results even if it's not a genuine Xiaomi product. Don't just read the title and purchase a product on a whim. This is general advice for Chinese products, but sometimes seller will have a title mentioning "Original *insert brand name* product", but then will say that it's not the original product in the detailed info.  Some Ebay sellers claim they have licensed Xiaomi OEM powerbanks but that's total horseshit. Those are fakes, plain and simple. Some even have sand in their "cells":
 
https://youtu.be/Fn_lu-jEv9k?t=55s
 
 
 
Xiaomi powerbanks:
 
5000mah slim version
 
5400mah
 
10000mah (about the size of the 5400mah)
 
10400mah (older and larger than the 10000mah. This one technically has 400mah more, but because the 10000mah is more efficient it will actually charge devices for longer. The 10000mah version is recommended over the older 10400.)
 
16000mah
 
20000mah
 
 
 
Camera Bag:
 
Bags & backpacks in general are very affordable from China. For camera use, the National Geographic & Lowepro bags in particular have great design according to /p/
 
- National Geographic
 
- Lowepro
 
 
 
Flashlights/Torches:
 
Focus on Cree LEDs with a single chip, especially their Q5 (updated version note: The Q5 is a specific bin of the XP-E2 LED, so disregard what the old pastebin says) and XM-L2 series. They have long battery life / super strong output, respectively. Do not pay too much attention to usually bogus lumen ratings.
 
 
 
More info on Cree LEDs:
 
http://flashlightwiki.com/Cree
 
 
 
Flashlight Guide:
 
http://flashlightwiki.com/Main_Page
 
Fake Cree LED awareness thread:
 
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/41084
 
Budget light reviews:
 
http://flashlightwiki.com/Budget_light_reviews
 
 
 
- SK68-type (many have fake Cree Q5 that are actually LatticeBright, don't bother finding genuine ones though)
 
- Convoy C8 & S2+ (Red / Blue variants on the latter have a nicer strap, but may cost extra vs gray)
 
- Eagle eye
 
- Nitecore
 
- Olight
 
 
 
Headphones/IEMs:
 
- KZ-HDS1, ED3, ED9, DT3, EDR2, ATE. KZ in general makes great value IEMs.
 
- Superlux HD661, HD668B
 
- Takstar Hi2050, Pro80
 
- Xiaomi Pistons 2 & 3, Dual Drivers (The Xiaomi piston 3 youth edition are cheap, but they don't sound very good.)
 
 
Knives:
 
Specific models are up to your own taste, but these brands are good:
 
 
 
- Enlan Bee
 
- Ganzo
 
- Sanrenmu
 
 
 
As always, ask around before making a purchase.
 
 
Pens:
 
Fountain:
 
  - Jinhao
 
  - Baoer
 
  - Hero
 
 
 
Phones:
 
Chinese phones can be had for a fraction of the price of the big brand name phones with all the power you need.
 
 
 
Phone guide as of March 2016:
 
 
 
-Under $80
 
---Homtom HT7 Pro
 
It's still on preorder so the reviews have yet to come out, but the Homtom HT7 Pro looks like the most promising phone for poorfa/g/s. This could be a good phone if you're going to be traveling somewhere dangerous but still want a decent smartphone, or simply for someone too wary of buying a used phone.
 
 
 
Check out the reviews of the HT7 to get an idea of what to expect:
 
 
 
http://www.xiaomitoday.com/homtom-ht7-review/
 
 
 
Pros:
 
LTE for a sub $100 phone (this is not the case for the older non-pro Homtom HT7)
 
2GB of RAM and microSD
 
Large and removable Battery
 
720p IPS screen
 
Mediatek MT6735P is more powerful than other phones under $100.
 
 
 
Cons:
 
Shitty camera
 
If you have 70 bucks to spare, the redmi note 2 is a good upgrade.
 
Feels cheap (what did you expect)
 
 
 
-Under $150
 
---Xiaomi Redmi Note 2
 
 
 
Pros:
 
MIUI
 
Helio x10 SoC unbeatable at this pricepoint.
 
microSD slot (unlike many Chinese phones, you can install 2 SIMs AND a microSD)
 
Removable battery
 
Build quality is not as nice as than the newer Redmi Note 3 Mediatek version, but it's just as good in almost all aspects and even better in others (microSD and removable battery). The Redmi Note 3 Mediatek version's only advantage is essentially the metal build.
 
 
 
Cons:
 
Battery life is mediocre considering it's 3050mAh.
 
Spending $60 extra for the Redmi Note 3 pro should give you a much better overall experience. This one still cuts some corners as far as performance
 
Plasticky build in a time when even budget Chinese phones feel premium.
 
 
 
Review: http://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_redmi_note_2-reviews-6992.php
 
 
 
The other alternative I would recommend at this price is the Xiaomi Redmi Note 2. It has a better build quality and look, a less powerful octa-core mediatek SoC, and better battery life. You can find it for $135 if you look around. Both displays are full HD, but the M2 Note's is better
 
 
 
-$160
 
---Oukitel K10000
 
10,000mAh battery! You can use this phone as a power bank to power other devices. If you value battery life above everything, and want a phone that will last as long as an old Nokia dumbphone, this is for you.
 
 
 
Pros:
 
BATTERY. The largest in the world. Quotes from review: "take your device off charge on a Monday morning and you won’t need to put it on charge until Friday night". A "Battery bigger than the iPad Pro" "After fully charging 3 iPhone 6 Plus devices, the K10000 still has 10% battery power left" to name a few.
 
Original looking design and nice metal build that should turn some heads
 
Like most Chinese phones, the 720P IPS screen is quite decent and helps prolong battery life
 
 
 
Cons:
 
Bulkier than the avg smartphone, due to the battery.
 
For $20 less, Redmi Note 2's Helio X10 and 1080p screen beat this phone handily. Then again if you're getting this phone it's not because you want the fastest performance in the world.
 
Shitty camera.
 
For $40 more  the Redmi Note 3 Pro is a better phone overall, and it also has a great battery. But you already knew that.
 
 
 
Review: http://www.androidheadlines.com/2016/01/featured-review-oukitel-k10000.html
 
 
 
Under $200
 
---Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 Pro (Snapdragon 650). The de-facto recommendation for budget smartphones. Do not skimp and get the regular Mediatek powered Redmi Note 3, which doesn't even have microSD support (a necessity when buying phone with 16GB or 32GB of storage)
 
 
 
Pros:
 
MIUI
 
Qualcomm Snapdragon 650 is extremely powerful and power efficient. More powerful than the flagship Snapdragon 805, 808 and 810 in many cases.
 
As of now it's the only Snapdragon 650 phone out there, which makes it a no-brainer.
 
Excellent battery size (4000mah), and excellent battery life. Should last you much longer than a Samsung Galaxy S6, S7 etc...
 
Because it's a qualcomm SOC, you can/will get ROMs. This is in contrast to mania Mediatek (Helio X10 etc...) SoCs.
 
Basically improved upon the Redmi Note 2 in every way. If you're not completely broke, spend the extra $70 for the Redmi Note 3 pro, it's completely worth it.
 
Good build quality
 
In a few months, this will probably cost $150, which is the MSRP in China.
 
 
 
Cons: battery is not removable like the redmi note 2. You could change it but you would need to disassemble the phone. Then again the battery life is miles ahead of the redmi note 2.
 
You will need to get the 32GB variant if you want 3GB of RAM
 
Just released and in very high demand. This means retailers may inflate the prices and it may be hard to find. Check the prices below to get an idea of what you should be paying, don't overpay. Ask in the thread if you can't find a retailer selling at those prices.
 
 
 
Variants:
 
16GB w/ 2GB RAM Current cheapest price: $185
 
32GB w/ 3GB RAM Current cheapest price: $220
 
 
 
Review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhi-pS7jZ80
 
 
 
>$300
 
---Xiaomi Mi 5
 
Pros:
 
Compared to flagships from non-Chinese brands, this is priced much more competitively ($310-$345-$415 respectively for each variant)
 
Qualcomm Snapdragon 820 (same as the brand new flagships from Samsung, Sony, LG etc...) There won't be anything faster than that in the near future. To give you an idea of how quick the 820 is, single core performance is almost twice as good as the flagship Snapdragon 810 on the GB single core test.
 
Best GPU performance of any Android phone. Will perform better in graphically intensive tasks than the S7, G5 etc.. because of the 1080p screen.
 
Great camera with the best image stabilization out there (only phone with 4-axis IS. Provides better IS than even the iphone 6s plus)
 
Ridiculously bright screen (over 600 nits)
 
Excellent design and build quality
 
One of, if not the best audio output of any smartphone. If you're a snobbish "audiophile" this phone will please you with it's great audio output.
 
USB type C.
 
No camera lens bump, something present on every other flagship.
 
No overheating issues like the Snapdragon 810.
 
 
 
 
 
Cons:
 
Diminishing returns; The Redmi Note 3 Pro (Pro denotes the snapdragon variant) has the best bang for the buck.
 
No microSD! WTF, Again the Redmi Note 3 Pro has it beat in that regard. This is a dealbreaker for me, but to you it may not matter much
 
1080p screen is lower-res than most other flagships. If you're into Google Cardboard type VR, that's a big con. Otherwise it's probably an advantage for the battery life and performance.
 
Glass back doubles your chances of tears.
 
Battery on the cheaper Redmi Note 3 Pro is larger and longer lasting... Not that this one is bad by any means. The Mi5's battery life is about equivalent to the Samsung s7.
 
Expect to add $100 to the MSRP listed above for every variant. The price should drop back to MSRP once the phone has been released for at least a month or two.
 
 
 
 
 
Variants:
 
32GB model with Snapdragon 820 chipset  (2x 1.8 GHz and 2x 1.6GHz cores); 3GB RAM $410
 
64GB model with Snapdragon 820 chipset  (2x 2.15 GHz and 2x 1.6GHz cores); 3GB RAM $460
 
128GB model with Snapdragon 820 chipset (2x 2.15 GHz and 2x 1.6GHz cores); 4GB RAM Ceramic back (32 and 64GB variant come with a glass back) $520
 
 
 
You should pay the extra $50 for the 64GB model since this phone doesn't have microSD support and the 64GB variant has a better SoC. My advice is to wait a month or two for the prices to drop, as this phone is currently $100 over the Chinese MSRP. Since you're buying from stores that ship internationally, eventually the price should drop to around MSRP +$20 as it did in the past with other xiaomi phones.
 
 
 
Review:
 
http://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_mi_5-review-1411p2.php
 
 
 
Recommended brands:
 
- Xiaomi phones
 
- Meizu phones (As of March 2016, the new Meizu MX6 with the Mediatek Helio X20 SoC is right around the corner so you should wait, or get Xiaomi phones that are currently better offerings for the price.) The distinction with Meizu phones is that they use Samsung AMOLED displays. Some people enjoy AMOLED because of the infinite contrast and "popping" colors, while others hate it because of the often over saturated colors and the propensity for screen burn-in. Meizu uses the FlymeUI
 
- OnePlus phones. (As of March 2016, the Oneplus X is not really worth buying thanks to the Redmi Note 3 pro offering a much better battery life, the newer and faster SD 650 SoC, and a lower price tag while still offering more storage and memory.) Same deal with the OnePlus 2 dethroned by the Mi5. Mid-2016 should see the Oneplus 3, which could undercut the Mi5 and prove to be a better value. We'll have to wait and see.
 
- Previous generation refurbished flagships
 
 
 
Upcoming developments:
 
-Around April/May 2016, new phones with the Mediatek Helio X20 should be released. It will be significantly faster than the Helio X10, and should be a killer SoC for budget phones. Expect to see it in phones as cheap as $200. Phones announced with the X20: Doogee F7, Zopo Speed 8, Meizu MX6
 
We will have to wait and see if that SoC has any issues with overheating, single core performance etc...
 
  
Electronic and Computer Goods:
+
== Things that are NOT recommended to buy ==
==============================
 
Amateur radio:
 
- Baofeng
 
  
Battery chargers (for either or both of NiMh and Lithium rechargeables):
+
* Sunglasses without UV coating. While most Chinese sunglasses and prescription glasses are perfectly fine, make sure the glasses come with a polarized test card.
- Miller ML-102 v8
+
* Western branded headphones. They will be fake.
- Xtar MC1 (I will add more notes here later, but there are many more Xtar chargers out there I recommend. Generally speaking I think they offer better values than the Nitecore brand)
+
* Memory cards and USB sticks can be bought with caution, but many don't have their advertised capacity. Run [http://www.heise.de/download/product/h2testw-50539/download H2testw] or a similar program to make sure you get what you're paying for. Speed ratings may be inflated, try to buy from reputable Chinese brands (ask around on the threads for more info)
- Nitecore i2 and i4 (d2 and d4 if you like to additionally have a display or LiFePO4 charging)
+
* Anything that goes in your ass, dick, or vagina. <small>(Actually, properly shaped silicone/pyrex/steel is safe enough, but /g/ doesn't really need to know about yours.)</small>
- Klarus C2 (also can be used as power bank)
+
* "Cool" and "Trendy" Asian fashion clothes e.g. Yesstyle clothes. You'll look like a faggot. Things like socks, ties, T-shirts and panties are generally fine. Some /csg/ posters like to buy replica clothing (aka fakes), so ask around.
- Opus BT-C3100 (preferably v2.2+)
+
* Plant seeds. Not only will customs seize the shipment, but most seeds you see on Aliexpress etc. are not what they claim to be. Unless it's a plant with very obvious shaped seeds, don't bother. You'll end up with seeds for a random weed.
- Skyrc MC3000
+
* Food. Sellers will markup Chinese food 10 fold and sell it to dumb Laowais. Also, mouth cancer.
- Liitokilla
+
* Batteries that claim ridiculous mAh ratings. Enjoy your Ultra(house)Fire™ and sand filled batteries! Panasonic/LG/brand name 18650 batteries are good though.
 +
* Hiking Boots and equipment. Quality and reliability are the key factors for such things, you just can't be sure enough when ordering equipment that your life could depend on from China.
 +
* [http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Brand-Mini-Small-Condoms-For-Men-10pcs-Lot-Ultra-Thin-Width-46mm-Sex-Products-Condones-Sex/32319802551.html Mini cooper condoms] or any condoms in general. $1 saved for $1 million in raising a child.
 +
* Eiaosi X6 Earphones. Confirmed shit. Do not believe the shill's lies.
  
Batteries:
+
== General buying tips ==
NiMh AA/AAA:
+
IF IT SOUNDS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE, then it very well could be. Ask in the thread for feedback.
  - Hobbyking's Turnigy (Eneloop alternatives, high-end, check which warehouse you buy from!)
 
  - GP ReCyko (Ikea Ladda alternatives, low-end)
 
Lithium rechargeables:
 
  - Buy LG / Sanyo / Panasonic. Not necessarily Chinese in origin, but Chinese resellers are often the cheapest way to get smaller quantities shipped.
 
  
Bicycle computers:
+
* Payment: Use Paypal or Alipay if it's an option, or purchase with a prepaid Visa. Find out when your money back deadline is so you can always request a refund if things go bad. The advantage of Paypal or Alipay is that you won't be sharing your CC details with random Chinese businesses, and they provide you with an added layer of protection in the form of disputes in case a website tries to fuck you over.
- BoGeer YT-816, YT-833
 
 
 
Drawing Tablets / Digitizers:
 
- Huion
 
  
Drones / Quadcopters:
+
* Buying clothes: Chinese clothes sizes are different to US sizes, and are usually smaller. Be cautions if there are no measurements on clothing to judge its true size. Read feedback to try to get an idea on sizing. Compare the measurements on the listing to those of current clothes you own.
- Cheerson
 
- Floureon H101
 
 
Electrical DIY:
 
- Aoyue and Yihua 936 soldering station (double check ground)
 
- A-BF GS60 and GS90 soldering irons (GS120 uses hard to find larger tips that are expensive & harder to find, better avoid that one)
 
- All-sun multimeters
 
- KCX-045 USB voltage meter
 
- Uni-T (anything, official spec sheets are correct)
 
 
Gaymur Gear:
 
- Clone headsets
 
 
Google "Cardboard" VR Glasses:
 
- BoboVR II and III
 
- VR Box II
 
  
Microphones:
+
* Use [http://www.heise.de/download/product/h2testw-50539/download H2testw] to verify the volume of storage media like memory cards and USB drives.
- BM-800
+
:*- The UI language can be switched between German and English.
- BM-700 (exact same as BM-800 internally. go with whichever is cheaper between the 700 and 800.)
 
- SF-666
 
  
Music / MP3 Player:
+
Some shopping sites offer referral bonuses for getting people to click on your links for the site and make a purchase. So-called cashback websites can allow you to get a portion of the money made from a purchase back by giving you their own link and sending you a cut of their profit. The exact amount you get back will vary between stores and cashback services, but percentages as high as 10% can be found for AliExpress as an example - you'll likely want to shop around to figure out what cashback service is ideal given how much they pay out and in what currency. More information is available [https://www.ozbargain.com.au/wiki/help:cashback here]. One added bonus of using a cashback service is that it prevents shills from getting money from your purchase if you've previously clicked on a referral link.
- AGPTeK (alias for RuiZu)
 
- RuiZu X02 (Flash the AGPTeK's software on it)
 
  
Networking:
+
== Recommended brands ==
- Xiaomi Mini Router
 
 
Sports cameras:
 
  
Note: Will add much more info about sports cameras when I ahve the time
+
* [[Chink shit general/Everyday carry|Portable items/everyday carry]]
 +
* [[Chink shit general/Phones|Phones]]
 +
* [[Chink shit general/Electronic and computer goods|Electronic and computer goods]]
  
- Mobius Actioncam
+
=== Other knicknacks ===
- SJCam
+
* Screwdrivers
- Xiaomi Yicam
+
* Panties
 +
* Controllers
 +
* Android devices
 +
* Cables
 +
* Camera accessories
 +
* Cycling goods
 +
* Adapters
 +
* ExpressPort cards
 +
* Borescope cameras
 +
* Endoscopes
 +
* [[Fidget Cube|Fidget cubes]]
 +
* Anything that's relatively easy to manufacture. The copy/unbranded item will be just as good.
  
Tablets:
+
== External links ==
- Cube tablets
+
* [https://4chan.org/g/csg /csg/ on 4chan]
- Chuwi tablets *Chuwi Hi8 is known to have a few issues.*
+
* [https://chinkshit.xyz/random chinkshit.xyz Item randomizer]
- Onda tablets
+
* [http://chinkshit.xyz/infographic.pdf Chink Shit infographic]
- Teclast X98 Pro
 
 
Universal Programmers:
 
- MiniPRO TL866xx series programmers (works on Linux and Windows)
 
  
USB chargers:
+
[[Category:Recommendations]]
- Orico. Orico generally makes quality stuff.
+
[[Category:Generals]]
- Tronsmart
 
- Xiaomi's power rail (the version that has USB ports)
 
 
Other Knicknacks:
 
=================
 
- Screwdrivers
 
- Panties
 
- Controllers
 
- Android devices
 
- Cables
 
- Camera accessories
 
- Cycling goods
 
- Anything that's relatively easy to manufacture. The copy/unbranded item will be just as good.
 
- Adapters
 
- ExpressPort cards
 
- Borescope cameras
 
- endoscopes for exploring your rectum
 

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The Chink shit general (/csg/) is a general thread of /g/, in which people discuss the no-name or obscurely branded cheap shit you see on Gearbest, AliExpress, eBay and similar sites.

For purchase recommendations, see everyday carry items, phones, and other electronic and computer goods.

Websites to buy cheap shit

Warning: Beware of customs and duty fees. Even though you won't run into them ~90% of the time, read up on your country's import fees and legislation. Most of the time, however, the stuff you're buying from China is so cheap, it simply won't reach the threshold for taxation, and the more expensive stuff may slip through anyway. Sellers will often also help you avoid fees without asking.
Warning: Recently there have been users adding referral links to products listed on the wiki. Make certain that you are not clicking on these links (click.aliexpress.com and more) or alternatively, find the products on Ali, Gear, &c on your own. If you spot any, please feel free to remove them.
  • Aliexpress.jpg aliexpress.com - This is the main website /g/ uses. It has the largest selection out of any other site. Customer Support is pretty good, they will side with the buyer if the seller made a mistake, just like Ebay. Uses Alipay for payment, meaning your CC details will not be given to the seller, just like Paypal. The main disadvantage for Americans is that unlike Paypal, it does not accept Discover cards. Or Paypal for that matter too.
  • Banggood.jpg banggood.com - Accepts Paypal and you can checkout without making an account. Warehouses in many countries. This site is especially cool for European /g/entooman, because of their "Netherlands direct shipping" option. It's usually much faster than China Post Air Mail, and should mean getting your goods from China to Europe in a week. The cost is barely any higher than the free shipping option.
  • Dinodirect.jpg dinodirect.com - Accepts Paypal, Sofort (German payment method). Good customer support. Are apparently scammers, buy with caution.
  • Fasttech.jpg fasttech.com - Accepts Bitcoin and Paypal. This is possibly the only site where the customer reviews are trustworthy. Lots of reviews in English. Website is known for a wide selection of e-cig/vape products, but they also sell many other products.
  • JD.png en.jd.com - They often have good limited time prices on cellphones.
  • Kaidomain.jpg kaidomain.com - Accepts Paypal, good for bicycle lights and 18650 batteries. (if you're in Europe or even better The Netherlands, I'd rather use nkon.nl, they have VERY cheap Panasonic 18650 cells and they ship all around the world)
  • Dealsextreme.jpg dx.com - Free shipment tracking if order value above $15.
  • Ebay.jpg ebay.com (marketplace) - Oftentimes the same sellers as Aliexpress selling the items for a higher price because of Ebay's popularity and the higher Ebay seller fees. But sometimes it can surprise you and have items at a lower price than Aliexpress or any of the other sites. It is worth comparing the prices between Aliexpress and Ebay just in case if you are a scrooge.
  • Gearbest.jpg gearbest.com - Oftentimes has some of the lowest prices for more expensive products like phones, tablets, and action cameras but are known to often take their merry time before sending a package. The free shipping option does not come with tracking, you have to pay extra. Known to pay users for positive reviews, ergo shop with caution. One anon posted an email from GearBest's customer service, detailing how to shill the website on places like productreview, scamadviser, and even the /csg/ thread on 4chan. Godawful customer service too: https://www.reddit.com/r/gpdwin/comments/8e9zfi/never_buy_from_gearbest_ever/
  • Geekbuying.jpg geekbuying.com - Accepts Paypal. Dropshipping option on all goods. Be warned that they may not have items in stock even if the product page says otherwise. Buy with caution.
  • Pandawill.jpg pandawill.com - Accepts Paypal, Skrill. Offers import tax & VAT insurance. For 5% more (10% if in the EU), they will give you a refund on the import tax & VAT cost if you show them the customs slip. This could perhaps be worth it for some expensive products like cell phones.

Each website has their advantages and drawbacks, if there are any notable ones you want to add, please let me know. There is no one-stop shop for everything.

A word on price comparison tools

There are three main direct from China price comparison websites. Pandacheck, Chinaprices, and Chinaprice. It is highly recommend NOT to use Chinaprices. About half of the stores they list are known to be outright scams or to take part in many unethical practices such as refusing to repair DOA products. So if you must, use https://en.pandacheck.com/ However; in general it is recommended to manually price compare or ask the thread. These comparison tools rarely find the correct lowest prices from all the different Chinese stores and use affiliate links. It can perhaps be used to give you a rough idea of the websites who charge the most to weed them out, and then you can manually price compare to find the best prices. Be aware that all links on price comparison websites are affiliate links.

It is recommended to try out several websites, and stick with them if you've had good experiences.

Bulk orders/Wholesale

Note: It can seem ridiculous, but in the very competitive Chinese online shopping market, many sellers will have items on non-wholesale prices AT or very close to wholesale prices. This means that the prices on Alibaba and Dhgate are not necessarily advantageous. Wholesale websites rarely have free shipping, they usually ship with DHL.

Not recommended for getting individual items. You will need to manually contact sellers and chat with them each time and possibly use wire transfers instead of CCs.

  • Alibaba.jpg alibaba.com
  • Directgate.jpg dhgate.com - Significantly more counterfeit products compared to Alibaba, with the latter actively monitoring for and taking down counterfeit product listings. You may need to disable certain browser addons like HTTPS Everywhere for it to work, or it will just show a blank page.

Chinese national websites

You will probably need an agent to buy anything on there (unless you contact the seller in Chinese and negotiate international shipping with him or Taobao Cargo). The commissions for agents are generally less than 8%. It might be worth it for some more expensive products. Use a translator to read product information or to enter search terms in Chinese.

Note: When buying multiple items, assuming you selected cargo shipping, each item you bought will be transported to the respective shipment company's warehouse where it will be consolidated and shipped to you in one package.
Note: HowtoTao is quite helpful, especially if you run into any trouble when ordering. There are many articles about how to purchase, return, query the sellers etc on it
  • Tmall.jpg tmall.com - Also owned by the Alibaba Group. The difference with Taobao is that T-mall does not allow small individual sellers. The only sellers on Tmall are the manufacturers themselves, large online retailers etc.. Tmall is used for buying brand name goods because they have the official company's store on there and only sell genuine products (Chinese brands such as Xiaomi, as well as foreign brands such as Nike among others.)

Taobao Agents

You can sometimes get away with ordering from Taobao directly, especially if you can speak basic Chinese, but that option may not be for everyone. Thankfully, there are many agents out there to choose from and some will go out of their way to make the process as convenient for you as possible. You can have the agent ask the sellers questions for you, if required. Usually, the agents will take a picture of your goods and show them to you before you either choose to go ahead with shipping it out of China or returning it from the agent's warehouse. To save shipping costs, you can also ask the agent to strip the boxes and packaging material to reduce weight.

  • Taobaoring (6% commision fee, usually less during holidays) - top customer service and will answer your questions pretty quickly. Bare in mind they will ship your order with EMS by default, which is pretty pricey, but you can ask them to change it to a service of your choice. Singapore Airmail is the cheapest they do, but it's also much slower.
  • Basetao (5% commision fee) - people into fashion reps seem to vouch for this one too

Shipping methods

Shipping Method Typical Time to Arrival (days) Description
Seller's shipping method Varies Slowest option on Aliexpress. Up to two months shipping time. If you don't receive your goods after that time period you can get a refund. oftentimes untracked. Sometimes you can be pleasantly surprised and get your product in a week or two. But since the seller doesn't list the method, you'll never know.
AliExpress Standard Shipping Varies Could be handled by any of the logstics providers that AliExpress uses (http://activities.aliexpress.com/aliexpress_shipping.php) so your mileage may vary with this one.
Sinotrans 7-14 days If you're lucky, this is one of the providers that will be handling your AliExpress Standard Shipping. Generally quite fast, arriving in a week or two, with full China based and domestic tracking. Should arrive around the 9-10 day mark, with some luck.
Belgium Post 7-14 days GearBest likes to use this one if you're Europe based. Presumably, they ship it off to Belgium using another shipping service before reshipping it to your destination country. Takes around 1-2 weeks, but usually closer to one week.
Sweden Post, Wishpost, Swisspost, Singapore Post 14-30 days Generally piss slow and untracked. These are often the default free shipping methods on many websites.
China Post Registered Air Mail 7-14 days Generally 1-2 weeks. Tracking may freeze after the package has left China.
China Post Ground 30 days The method usually used when the seller lists "seller's shipping method". Can take over a month.
China Post Ordinary Small Packet Plus 7-30 days Anywhere from a week to a month. Your mileage may vary greatly with this one. Most should arrive within two weeks, however.
EMS (Express Mail Service) 7 days Expensive but should get there within a week.
SAL (Surface Air Lifted) 10-14 days Week and a half to two weeks. Generally a bit cheaper than EMS.
DHL and Fedex 2-5 days Very quick, very expensive. Most likely to sting you for customs charges.
ePacket 7-14 days Started off as US only but has now expanded to Australia, Canada , France, Israel, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Ukraine, and the UK. Generally much faster than China Post, and oftentimes free.
SunYou Economic Air Mail 30 days One of the much slower shipping options, which you'll want to avoid unless you're okay with waiting even longer. It's not unsual for items to take a month or more with this. Some anons report their items taking up to three months to arrive or never turning up at all. It may be worth the extra dollar for China Post or Yanwen.
Yanwen Economic Air Mail 7-30 days Reasonably fast in most cases. About the same as China Post Ordinary Small Packet Plus.
Yanwen Express 7-14 days One of the faster shipping methods. Items should arrive in 1-2 weeks, but generally about the 9-10 day mark. Can be tracked at track.yw56.com.cn.

Use info about these shipping methods to help you decide which seller you want to purchase from. For example if a seller sells a product for 20 cents more and offers China Post Registered Air Mail instead of the unknown "seller's shipping method".

Recommended tracking site:

  • 17track.net - Sometimes it will fuck up, but generally it should automatically find the shipping method so you don't have to manually input it.
  • Cainiao - Alibaba Group owned. AliExpress uses this for logistics info but sometimes, you can get more detailed tracking by going to the site directly,

Things that are NOT recommended to buy

  • Sunglasses without UV coating. While most Chinese sunglasses and prescription glasses are perfectly fine, make sure the glasses come with a polarized test card.
  • Western branded headphones. They will be fake.
  • Memory cards and USB sticks can be bought with caution, but many don't have their advertised capacity. Run H2testw or a similar program to make sure you get what you're paying for. Speed ratings may be inflated, try to buy from reputable Chinese brands (ask around on the threads for more info)
  • Anything that goes in your ass, dick, or vagina. (Actually, properly shaped silicone/pyrex/steel is safe enough, but /g/ doesn't really need to know about yours.)
  • "Cool" and "Trendy" Asian fashion clothes e.g. Yesstyle clothes. You'll look like a faggot. Things like socks, ties, T-shirts and panties are generally fine. Some /csg/ posters like to buy replica clothing (aka fakes), so ask around.
  • Plant seeds. Not only will customs seize the shipment, but most seeds you see on Aliexpress etc. are not what they claim to be. Unless it's a plant with very obvious shaped seeds, don't bother. You'll end up with seeds for a random weed.
  • Food. Sellers will markup Chinese food 10 fold and sell it to dumb Laowais. Also, mouth cancer.
  • Batteries that claim ridiculous mAh ratings. Enjoy your Ultra(house)Fire™ and sand filled batteries! Panasonic/LG/brand name 18650 batteries are good though.
  • Hiking Boots and equipment. Quality and reliability are the key factors for such things, you just can't be sure enough when ordering equipment that your life could depend on from China.
  • Mini cooper condoms or any condoms in general. $1 saved for $1 million in raising a child.
  • Eiaosi X6 Earphones. Confirmed shit. Do not believe the shill's lies.

General buying tips

IF IT SOUNDS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE, then it very well could be. Ask in the thread for feedback.

  • Payment: Use Paypal or Alipay if it's an option, or purchase with a prepaid Visa. Find out when your money back deadline is so you can always request a refund if things go bad. The advantage of Paypal or Alipay is that you won't be sharing your CC details with random Chinese businesses, and they provide you with an added layer of protection in the form of disputes in case a website tries to fuck you over.
  • Buying clothes: Chinese clothes sizes are different to US sizes, and are usually smaller. Be cautions if there are no measurements on clothing to judge its true size. Read feedback to try to get an idea on sizing. Compare the measurements on the listing to those of current clothes you own.
  • Use H2testw to verify the volume of storage media like memory cards and USB drives.
  • - The UI language can be switched between German and English.

Some shopping sites offer referral bonuses for getting people to click on your links for the site and make a purchase. So-called cashback websites can allow you to get a portion of the money made from a purchase back by giving you their own link and sending you a cut of their profit. The exact amount you get back will vary between stores and cashback services, but percentages as high as 10% can be found for AliExpress as an example - you'll likely want to shop around to figure out what cashback service is ideal given how much they pay out and in what currency. More information is available here. One added bonus of using a cashback service is that it prevents shills from getting money from your purchase if you've previously clicked on a referral link.

Recommended brands

Other knicknacks

  • Screwdrivers
  • Panties
  • Controllers
  • Android devices
  • Cables
  • Camera accessories
  • Cycling goods
  • Adapters
  • ExpressPort cards
  • Borescope cameras
  • Endoscopes
  • Fidget cubes
  • Anything that's relatively easy to manufacture. The copy/unbranded item will be just as good.

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